admin recommendation : helpful or harmful ?

but you seem to be supporting recommendation. I am sure you have more than 10 admin friends who are all ready to recommend you lol

well if you really dont have any...make one, flatter him, convince him and have it all.

riz bro not all think or judge like you and cinderella. an honest admin will recommend his friend only if his friend is deserved and how long i know an admin can recommend many users. all their friends may not deserve and i think they will not recommend any undeserved user even if he is their friend. your points is making me think that you are very sure there is no good and honest admins in mig33 and every admin will recommend only their friends. this is not fair. you can't judge all by thinking about some corrupted admin and admins are not so busy as you mentioned that they can't find out good, special users from rooms or forums. admins are everywhere and they are doing chat like you and me. visiting forums regularly. for example you can look at camhe22. i don't know in how many forum she is and she is posting regularly. she always chat with users in rooms like a normal user. there are many more admins visiting forum, chatting with users regularly so its not hard for them to know about good users who has interest in room moderating and deserved to be an admin.

but what about their best friend and lovers??? what about your best friend??? dont ignore that, ans that... umm, dont worry i wont tell my sweet vabi about your answer

i dont support this recommendation system

i answered your question cry bro. check my replys you will get that easily. i'm not so mean that i will recommend my gf or best friend who is undeserved for admin post.

lol.... than that good... you are nice person... no comments for you

but, i dont like this recommendation system

Lol happy . . Show me one fair n honest admin today. . All wanna be admins are sugar n spice n oh so nice before n once they have the adminship, they show their true colors. . Take an example of our illustrious miss foxcy. . And happy,talking hypothetically bout picking yr girl over others if she's deserving is very easy. . It's putting that into practise that makes one break out in a cold sweat lol. . Lets have admins on merit basis

if your thinking about mig33 admins is so poor like that even after the demotion of most corrupted admins then i've nothing to debate with you. you can claim anybody you want by your mean thinking. one request don't think about everybody like that. i know what i wrote and know not all change after getting power.
what is the need of that admin system if there's no fair admin in mig33. you should write against the admin system not about the selection. i showed you an example(camhe22) in my 2nd last reply which you avoided and now asking again to show some fair admin. ok look at ask-vinay, nikshay, pecious pious, king of heart. they changed after getting power? don't you think they are fair and they know about the users of forum and rooms and can find out good users?
there're many more admins like them. thats why we normal users hope something good from the admin system.

excuse me bro, You seem to be excited.

you cant point ur finger at someone saying he/she thinking mean. no one has got mean thought here. some admins proved and made users to be thinking of admin's and recommendation system that way.

we are not against admin or admin system, we didnt even say all admins are corrupted or bad, either this is infact not the topic.

we are against this poor admin recommendation system which appear to be real bad n corrupted.

you didnt get my point at all. I already have said its not all about good or bad. its about favoritism. you have missed my points. I asked you how would you know and judge a stranger user if they are more deserving than ur friends? I am not saying admin's friends are all unqualified and not deserving.

but my question is why only friends of admin would be considered if they deserve or not? why a normal user having no admin friend will not be considered eventhough he/she is much more deserving than friend of admin.

could you show me any example that any admin picked up an unknown users who is very deserving and adept from chat room and then recommend them and that user happened to be an admin? so far any history like that? till now each and every admin got recommendation from their close admin friend. some have been admin being a merchant, some have been admin having a close relation with their admin friends for a long time.



what we hate most is, why users have to beg admins for recommendation? you probably havent experienced the situation when it comes to manage a recommendation. most users have been depressed and disgusted with admins attitude while they asked for recommendation and ended up with having just one reply mail to contact@mig33.com with a smiling face. I'd like to request you, go through the post of redhero. it shows us the real scene behind the screen.

out of so many admins, you were able to show instance of just a few.

your posts are biased. you are viewing ur point from an admin's eye. But stand in the middle. Be unbiased, think about millions of users those dont have admin friends, then judge.

staffs should be the middle man not an admin. staffs or team should be the media or via. they should provide users a system, through which users can contact them directly and apply for admin position. staffs are paid and they are the actual mig33. things concern them much more than an admins who are unpaid and having more concern about their status and friends than mig33 and its normal users.

Just cuz my thinking doesn't fall in track with yours doesn't make it mean. . Truth is always a bitter pill to swallow happy . . And yes i'm sorry to say but apart from the handful of admins u named the rest are all biased n unfair. . I'm talking bout the current selection system wen i refer to their bias. . Cuz my question is,would they overlook their friends n pick a regular,decent n deserving chatter from the room? Well, u n i both know the answer to that so i wont even bother answering my own question. . Just by sitting n hoping u cant gain anything cuz had ppl just sat n hoped tareq would still be in power. . It's cuz users complained against him to mig33team that investigations were made resulting in his demotion. . Nothing happens by sitting on yr laurels n hoping. . That is exactly why i'm voicing my opinion,which in your book seems mean,against the current admin selection procedure

my last reply was about the reply of cinde, not about you bro. read carefully what she wrote in that reply. can you understand what she meant to say by asking me if i can show any fair admin? isn't that insulting for all fair and good admins? she blamed all for some corrupted admins and it was a gang which was created by tareq who wasn't selected as an admin with recommendation. it was certainly a wrong selection of mig33 team because he was a kicker and slanger in past. if you select admin without recommendation then it is sure that we will get many more admin like him. we will get the same situation again and again what we got now.. is most of the admins misused their power who were recommended by tareq. who is guilty here? one admin recommended his abuser friends and used them as he want that not mean all are doing the same.

after cinde now you're asking me to show some more fair admins. tell me how many you want? how it is possible for me to know about all. i'll show you them whom i know well. that not mean all are not good whom i don't know. anyway i know many which will be enough to reply you in this topic.. you showed only one who changed after getting power and in reply i showed you five. ok two more.. stalin_dark, dot.care. its your time to show more.. show me who or how many is undeserved from all existing mig33 admin? don't just try to go away by saying "some". show me which of the existing admin recommended only his/her undeserved friends in past and his friend were selected? Who is undeserved in existing admin list who was selected from admins recommend and not deserted for admin post? i don't like fairytale.

after that she seems laughing at me for writing i wont recommend my gf or friend if they're undeserved. if she can laugh at me without talking with me a single day or without knowing anything about me then i can't expect something good by debating with her because it is not so hard for her to laugh at anybody.

now both you looking to admin candidates as all of them are recommendation seeker. how many candidates you know? who is begging recommendation like you mentioned? its only them who never deserve to be admin begging recommendation from his/her friends.

PS: precious_pious and racinhart selected without any recommendation.

as you wrote, precious_pious and racinhart being selected widout recommendation ... than why not others???

why a deserving user needs recommendation of admin? on the other way have to chat with admin and become their friend???

Lol now u got personal happy. . A good debator laughs but doesn't get personal. . First rule of debating. . Remember that or u can get sued for slander lol. . Have u heard of one rotten fish ruins the whole basket happy? Same case here. . Though not one but a number of admins are biased. . I know of several good chatters who deserve to be admins but aint got recommendations hence cant be . . Is that fair?we talking of selection of admins thus the point of bias. . But why pick no my post happy?that point has been made by every single post against the current selection process. .

hate this recommendation thing and here i agree with happy .... somehwere i agree with cindy also

lol you guys couldn't find out any more undeserved admin in the current admin list and still writing you don't like recommendation! whats wrong in this process if you all unable to find out any undeserved admin?
I think you want to see some undeserved users or want to see your friends in the admin list thats why trying to make the selection without any recommendation.
cry bro, which deserved user asked recommendation?recommendation is something what a deserved user should get automatically, not by asking anybody. and how you so sure that admin always recommend them who ask recommendation? show me which current admin did that before?
cinde, there maybe thousands of deserved users in mig33 but all of them can't be selected. it is not a big matter of debate why "this" deserved admin selected and why not "that".
Maybe on your eyes they are deserved but not deserved in admins or staffs eyes because they know well what kind of users perfect in admin position from their real experience and maybe the user not selected because of having a bad history what you don't know.

My point is not why this n why not that. . Nor is my point that mig team is wrong. . My point is with the recommendation system the selection gets limited to the few choice ppl current admins are friendly with n is not open to all the mig users. . History is something that's only available to mig team not all so of course i wouldn't know bout the user. . But i judge on chat room behaviour wen i say deserving

lol example of recommended users are PRINCE.CHARMING AND MS.FOXCY AND FANTA.FOFO AND RAX_POWER AND ABLAZE_OOF_LIGHT AND CUTE_YANA AND ANOTHER ADMIN I DONT REMEMBER HIS IS but was a maga gang member who recently got demoted with rex_power or what so ever
happy ur point can be considered right when u say recommendation system should not be the top priority ... the system has been really hated by most of the mig33 users ... mangoastalavista resigned just because he used his brain and wanted a change in the current system ... but u see he called the team corrupted .. why ??? there must be some reason why he said so ...
if recommendtion system really works 100% and we can get good admins then lets wait and watch ... people change after getting power
what we are now we aint sure we'll be the same in future
fanta.fof must have tried damn hard to get adminship but then got demoted why ????because she was trusted by some admin ... mig33 team should not depend on any one .. if they have introduced the admin system its their duty to sort out the problems , recommendation has little chances to work ... i know an admin who asked me that he'd recommend me if only i change my country from uk to pakistan .. isnt it cheating ???? dishonesty ????? this is what u call recommendation
u never know who is good who is bad ... so many admins are using second id to chat with their friends cuz they cant be free with them using their admin id
prince_charming is one of those admins , tareq , rax , ablaze these all have misused their power ... mig33 team blindly gave admin to post to tareq and he was the head of all the admins ... should the team believe all he does ?????? no they shouldnt but the team did so and many of the users got disappointed ...
so this recommendation system sucks
when u dont have admins as ur friends where would u get recommendation from ???? who would recommend u ???? after getting the post admins hardly reply to privates ... what do u expect ??? that they would go and find out honest users and recommend them ??? no way when they hae their own friends to recommend why would they look for a normal users who they dont even chat with ????
didnt u see how ms.foxcy behaved when she was discussed on this forum ??? when an admin openly can misbehave do u expect that she would recommend good users ??? will she give chance to them ??? if u think so then i m sorry but u are trying to act smart

current admins dont have something special with them that we have to appreciate and praise them that way. they were unknown and ordinary user before becoming admin. with the recommendation of their friends they have happened to be admin. they are lucky enough that they have been friends of admins and been recommended. happy bro dont you think you urself can do better than most of current admins? either way you can do same as they have been doing. but why instead of you, the other guy is admin? whats special with him ( apart from having admin or staff friend ) that you dont have? this is what concerns us. we dont need to have any of our friends would appear to be admin. what cinderella said, now its limited, but all we have been wanting is, to make sure every user ( friends or non friends of admins ) get the chance either way to prove their worth. we dont have objection against friends of admins. they should be considered the way a normal user would be. but through recommendation you guys are disregarding non friends of admin who are the major part.

current admins are helping users. thats highly appreciated. But its not any big favor they are doing, because so many users out there want this position crazily. if they were given the chance they would have been doing the same, may be better. you are saying they are more deserving than forum staffs and other users time and again. whats that? I have found most admin's english is too poor. I dont know what do you mean by "deserving" word. what they have got special with them that a normal user dont. Normally an admin enter a room, keep quiet, shows attitude, and enjoy their celebrity status. yup sometimes they become too rush. they get to handle many pvts at a time, they get to fight multi kickers. but for doing these job loads of users have been waiting being crazy.

you showed instance of precious pious and reinchart's being admin without having recommendation and you categorized them as good admin. so indirectly you are saying those admins appear to be better who's happened to be admin without recommendation. thus we are opposing this recommendation strategy.

redhero wrote:I am normal user. I dont have admin friend. I want to make a admin friend so that i can get recommendation.

redhero bro i read your post it was realy intrsting and fantastic ... your right at first you were a normal user with admin .. its was
truee it was very very goood ........ you shuld post your command to bbc(hard talk) program it will b more intrsting keep it up......

Cinderella wrote:Lol happy . . Show me one fair n honest admin today. . All wanna be admins are sugar n spice n oh so nice before n once they have the adminship, they show their true colors. .

iam agree with you cinderella ......

Guys, there is one key thing you are missing.


We are discussing about what? Admin recommendation system, right? Of course we are, you know that too.(do i sound like a teacher explaining things to a kid? )

But, all of you are totally(if not totally, at most part) against this system. Why? Because of , ahem, maga gang. I mean, admin recommendation system was supposed to be a good system. Why? Because admins were supposed to be unbiased, and as they proved their worth, certainly they would recommend people who were worth adminship.

But why this got changed? Because of some certain admins, didn't it?

Now tell me, what would happen if those admins never came to power, and the recommendation system never got biased?

What are you guys up against? Admin recommendation system? Or the corrupted , biased people that manipulatated the recommendation system, thus totally destroying the goal it was supposed to surve?

There is also another question i would like to raise.

If, and just if, the staffs decide to select next admins, from the mass people, as well as from honest admin recommendations, at a 50-50 ratio, and the first selected pupil are tested in every way possible, will you like it?

Roma, i know there were many undeserved user in admin list some days ago. i must thank mig33 team that they took strong action against them and they are out of admin panel now. you're showing some demoted admins as an example but i asked to show some existing admin who is not deserved for this position because once i was asked to show some fair admin in this topic. i myself wrote the same about tareq and his maga gang in my previous replys. my main intension was to find out the undeserved user who are still in the admin list and wanted to know how he/she became admin. So that we may ask mig33 team to enquiry about that admin and make sure that we have a admin list with all deserving user.
remember one thing tareq263 was not selected with any recommendation. mig33 team selected him long time ago when there were no recommendation system. you can't blame the recommendation system for that. problem was mig33 team believed him too much and never questioned on his works. thats what made him think he's the king of mig33 and used their "trust" to make a gang with his friends. To make sure this things wont happen again we can request mig33 team not to depend fully on admins. team have to check all the users log carefully and check by their own. it is not so hard to understand(language problem?) what is the relation of the user with that admin who recommended him. team can find out the users history if there is anything bad which may be harmful in future.
and about foxcy.. i don't think there's a single user who thought that she will change her behaviour after becoming admin. we all know how polite her behaviour was in past and she had good relation with mig33 staffs. she met with them and became friendly to most of them so it wasn't a problem for her to become an admin without getting any recommendation from existing admin.
riz bro, if you ask mig33 team to give you more deserving users than the current admins then i have no objection against your question but if you tell me that there is no deserving admin then i've thousand of objection against your statement. this is what cinderella tried to mean by her that question of showing "a" fair admin. this is what made me ask you all to show who is undeserved here. i know you never said there is no deserving admin but none of you quoted or told cinderella that she's not right. in fact, you agreed with her on some points which was showing that you too think there's no deserving admin or you've no objection against her question. anyway.. thanks to clear that you have no objection on admins deserving friends.
now let me clear some confusion about my points.. i never wrote forum users or forum staffs are not deserved or admins friends is more deserving than them. a deserving user may be from anywhere forum user, forum staff, normal mig33 user, admin friends, staffs friend etc. now the question is which process can give us the most deserving user from all mig33 users. a little changed Topic but not off: will recommendation help us to find out the most talented user from all users? thanks to you again that you and roma agreed with me on the point that recommendation can help if we've a list of admins with all good and deserving users.
now why not we all are requesting mig33 team to check the suspicious admins and make sure that they are trusted and are not doing anything harmful instead of making a new selection without admins recommendation. we know good admins can help us in searching the most deserving user.
lets think about the staffs a little. how many staffs are there? Only 3-4? don't you think they too have friends or there're some users whom they know well? can you avoid the question if i ask you that.. what if mig33 team select an undeserved user from their friend or from their known users? suppose there is no recommendation and staffs are visiting rooms to find out the most talented popular user of bangladesh. they entered in some bangladeshi rooms where most of the kickers slangers always stay. They found an abuser chatting so politely in rooms with his fake fresh id which is known to all admins or users of bangladesh but not known to staffs. how will the staffs make sure that the selected user is an abuser without asking any bangladeshi admin? or suppose the most talented user of bangladesh is not in the room at that time or he couldn't stay in those rooms for the kickers. What and how mig33 team will rich to him. of course with the help of existing admins. Isn't it?
i'm not finished.. BRB :p

Er, about that slanger-behaving-nice-fake-id scenario.

What makes you think that staffs get impressed by seeing a person for just one day? Staffs are not kid man!

I think in some other topics, we discussed that staffs should either,
1.ask the admin opinions about their primary selected users for admins.
Or,
2. Put up their names in forum, and ask public opinion about them.


And don't worry:| i never saw any of the bd slangers having a decent sense of grammar they always use bangla in room.

Something that i find intriguing is how this term "recommendation" is explained, or to whom does it apply to. Does it have exceptions, maybe. Last i remember i made an example about Martinkow showing leniency and giving his multi kicker pal an interview. Now because he is mig staff employee, he don't need to recommend his friend to anyone, seeing as he himself is one of the people responsible for the recruiting of admins. Say Martin was an admin, isn't it obvious that he would've then recommended the guy?

When i raised such matter, it was deemed to be not an issue. Anyways, the recommendation is/was supposed to be a hassle free way, or time saver for mig33 team when conducting the admin recruiting, now seeing as admins roam and visit numerous room while moderating and also get to observe alot of users, they were given the chance to recommend. Recommend users whom they observed and saw that they would do great in the yellow jacket, however some admins misused the privilege by making the system to only benefit those who are their friends. Now i believe thats the main reason why most users, including myself oppose the procedure....

Now if the procedure, with this sort of leniency and unfairness, becomes not an issue when its done by mig33 staff, then how do we expect it to be when its admins?

Lets not look at the matter with only one eye. Admins abuse the recommendation system, and so do mig33 staff, apparently, if multi kickers also manage to get themselves an interview. Deserving users don't even make it that far. The recommendation system can never be total fair, yes it did bring some good admins who are doing great. But like everything in life, ranks are earned due to merit, not by making the right friends.

well redhero your post is absolutely correct...