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Post by fromctg Sun Oct 26, 2008 1:23 am


Admin selection system mainly continuing by recommendation of old admins. They rec0mmend their friend n them who r familiar to him. But is it fair?

rec0mendati0n system can makes a gang. If a pers0n have rec0mend p0wer then other ppl are blindly supP0Rt him and think him as a migG0D.
I think rec0mendati0n system is d main cz of al sh0e licking and corRUpti0n.
So i never supPORT d system.

BuT i can gIve u a idEa,
staffs can ann0nce admin candidates name then they cAN give 1week time to submit opini0n ab0Ut d cANDIDATES.
Aftr submitti0n and judgement they cAN anN0unce d final list.
S0me0ne ask me in our forum that have a g0od relati0n with admins is a userS fault???
My ans:
Nope! never!
BuT, Give me answer!
have n0t a g0od relati0ns with admins is a fault???


I have n0t any pr0blem with any pREsent admin. (buT I hav s0me problem with s0me c0rRupteD Admins who already got dEm0teD)!
BuT i've n0t also so cl0se relati0n with any0ne of them, becAUSe i d0nt kn0ck them f0r g0sSIPing(usually).
I kn0w they are so busy and have n0t en0ugH time to gIve me and when a admin d0nt reply me after kn0cking thn i fEel insult(u cn say its a self c0mplex,wateva), thats d cz y i d0nt kn0ck them.
BuT S0metimes i kn0ck them f0r help.

So till n0w i've n0t any admin friend. If they r n0t kn0w me cl0sely then y they rec0mMEND me as a admin???

So i think there is many user who r realy gud user, popular to0 and hav a awes0me chat hist0ry bt they hav n0t en0ugH GOod relati0n with any admin to aCquire rec0mendati0n.

Is it their fault???P


i just wana sh0w an example:
There was many g0od user in bd who had m0re popularity and potential thn Adil, rax, dreamboy, ablaze buT they did n0t got rec0mend.

4dem0ted admins of bd is d example of dark side of rec0mend system. :-)
may their soul rust in peace! Very Happy
look, stalin_dark zigzag5 avinash4u ryvil the_ripper vampzz r d fam0us and succesful admin of mig. But they did n0t get rec0mmendati0n when they got adminship.

L0ok d dem0ti0n list, m0st of them r rec0mmend by other admins. (xcept s0me legend admin who got dem0ti0n for Absense. Xmple: freakitUdE) !

So my final request to staffs,
please nO m0re rec0mendati0n!
Please! please! please!

Whats ur opinion friends?
Do u support d recommendation system?
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Post by Nothingness Sun Oct 26, 2008 4:47 am

Well i think recommendation is not bad in itself,The nature of ppl giving recommendation make it good or bad.Fair n deserving recommendation is good n its reverse is bad.
So i think half admin selection should be by recommendation n half by users choice.
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Post by riz Sun Oct 26, 2008 5:07 am

good poll. useful indeed.

I have changed ur poll's multiple choice. previous ones were confusing. we already have a similar topic. Since it appears to be a poll I havent merged the topic.

but I dont want to put my ideas once again. you guys keep on voting.

I know, everyone having admin friends will be voting helpful.
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Post by Cinderella Sun Oct 26, 2008 7:27 am

The admin recommendation system lacks fairness n does not offer equal opportunity to all cuz existing admins have a tendency to propose names of their close ones on mig. . Or to propose names of ppl who they've gain from. . So on it's own this system is totally unreliable and completely biased
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Post by Roma-_ Sun Oct 26, 2008 9:14 am

well i would say both 50\50
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Post by dadutum Sun Oct 26, 2008 10:47 am

the procedure of selecting admin through reccomendation is good to some extent but not better.
as all know through reccomendation some good adminz get selected as well as corrupted and the adminz which got selected are 101% very closed friend of adminz.
but what about other userz who also chatz in mig33.
well mig33 only select adminz from country side but what about other chat roomz such as make friends,find_love,friends and bal bla and bla... theres also kicking flooding going on 24 hourz and we cant call any adminz coz most of the userz dont know whose admin and whose not and extra adminz are mostly invisible so how can we get help???
hence selecting adminz through reccomendation method also gives us corrupted admin y dont mig33 select adminz through mail...
i agree there are millions and billions of mail comes to mig33 and itz diificult to get hardly any user online while selecting adminz.y dont mig33 send mail and gives information when to be online and interview and all gone take so that user will be online on so n so date and time...
as above my friendz said y dont u give him a chance for become temporary admin for 1 or 2 weekz and then making it permanent...
while mig33 told some adminz are temporary selected btw i dont think they are selected temporary all adminz got selected and interview are permanent...
i think mig33 must look at it and makes the selection procedure in an effective way...
as mig33 got so much staff y dont they do survey invisibly as i think that will be better way to select adminz...
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Post by ggaa Sun Oct 26, 2008 11:54 am

Cinderella wrote:

The
admin recommendation system lacks fairness n does not offer equal
opportunity to all cuz existing admins have a tendency to propose names
of their close ones on mig. . Or to propose names of ppl who they've
gain from. . So on it's own this system is totally unreliable and
completely biased


 :yupp: good girl

recommendation? no :unfair:


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Post by happy Sun Oct 26, 2008 2:20 pm

well.. though i don't have any admin friend i like the idea of recommendation because its the easy way to find out some real good and helpful users from different rooms. admins always visiting rooms and meeting with users so they know much than any staff about the users. admin can easily make a list of regular and good users from their experience what any staff can't do in their short searching. they may select any kicker, slanger, abusers because everybody know that they are searching for admin and will try to behave well in rooms.
but now a days for some bad admin users lost their trust on admins.
after the corruption of some admins anybody can ask me why you're still supporting this method? because in every method you've to believe someone. if you want to take users from forum you have to believe forum admin, if you want staff to find out users then you have to believe staffs, if you want users to select then you have to believe users but who and what will guaranty that forum admin, staff, or users will not use the chance of making his friend an admin?
after all i think mig33 staffs should find out the corrupted peoples first from the admin panel and make sure that there is no corrupted admin in mig33. then apply any method. It will surely work if there is no corrupted people in mig33.
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Post by riz Sun Oct 26, 2008 8:48 pm

Its not just all about corruption. Its about favoritism. even a Good, decent admin would prefer to recommend his friends rather thank finding out deserving users from chat room. so eventaully deserving users having no admin friends would never get the chance.about forum admin, staff and users, mig33 team doesnt need to depend on thir party's recommendation. they can directly contact applicants like wanted tester strategy.  either users dont need  run after an admin then. 
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Post by happy Sun Oct 26, 2008 9:37 pm

staff can directly contact with applicants and it will give us some good admins? how many rooms will staffs visit and how long they will stay? how many rooms name they know?
will staffs ever enter in dush0r, shantinogor, shadhinota, oboshor and many more secret rooms? you, me and local admins know the room name and know there're many good users regular chatting in those rooms who tired of being abused in popular rooms created that type of rooms to chat with their friends peacefully. so how will staffs rich to them? don't say by sending application because thousands of application will be sent.
suppose today staffs entered in a popular room and some kickers are there too. who will correct staffs if they select any kicker from the room? we know nowadays kickers do not kick with their main id. they chat like a normal user.
i can show many more problem like that but we should know first that there's nothing created to be misused. its up to the person how he/she use it.
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Post by riz Sun Oct 26, 2008 10:30 pm

what if Iquestion you back the same ? what staffs dont do, do you think admins are gonna do? do you think admin will monitor each and every room, and observe users and then would pick some deserving users? they already have so many friends who are eating their brains for recommendation!! so leaving them all admins gonna find out unknown users from chat room? give me a break dude. thats never gonna happen. admin are dying busy with their duty like helping rooms, they dont even have time to respond so many users pvts. so when would they put their times on finding deserving users from chat room? I am pretty much sure each and every admin already have a long list of friends who they are gonna recommend and already given the words to them.

its not even staff's duty to find out users from unknown rooms, admin candidates have to come up, there are so many candidates who have been trying die hard, I am sure they would somehow have the attention of staffs. Look at uk-london room. Almost all admin candidates and deserving users chat on that room.

and almost all deserving candidates are registered members of mig33 communities. Say, I chat in dushor room ( as u mentioned ) I dont even bother to go popular room, I dont have interest to get known and get connected with staffs and forums why would mig33 team give me chance where as so many users more deserving than me are working hard and going extra miles?

why mig33 team gives priority to forum users, staffs and owner? because they are doing something extra than a normal user do. they are helping mig33 and its community, they are showing their enthusiasm. its kind of way they are drawing staffs attention, so if I just dream on doing nothing, one day a room admin would come up to my room, and then I would pvt him, flatter him and impress him, then he would recommend me right away I would become and admin. is that fair? or if I send an application to contact@mig33.com ( other than that doing nothing special ) that I want to be admin. and then I expect they would call me to interview and make admin. team is now choosy so if there is not something special with me, what point of they calling me?

Its users who have got to take first step, who have got to come up. for instace, in every company what they do for recruiting? they advertise on newspapers and internet that they are hiring. then applicants contact them somehow, if they can impress HR ( human resource ) department by their application and resume they get called by HR team for interview.

HR team never go to their home to call them up saying hey buddy whats up!! I have got a great deal for you!! we are hiring right now, lets go with me, we would interview you and give out our position. !! it never works just like that.


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Post by camhe22 Sun Oct 26, 2008 10:35 pm

recommendation is acceptable and considered a great help to select new admins if an admin recommends the deserving users only.
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Post by riz Sun Oct 26, 2008 10:48 pm

yup its been acceptable and considered to be great help since years. its not anything new or gonna be just launched. we already have seen the consequence hence its been a controversial issue and users have been raising question and even team bother to ask us other alternative ways.

if that way were better and acceptable, why this topic has been opened up? why team is asking for suggestion?

My concern is, how would you guarantee that admins only recommend deserving users? and that they wouldnt favor their friends?
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Post by Guest Sun Oct 26, 2008 11:28 pm

I am normal user. I dont have admin friend. I want to make a admin friend so that i can get recommendation.

I chat in many popular rooms. Now I am chatting in a bangladesh room. wow an admin entered. lets convince him

Wink

redhero : hi there

rehero : hello are u there mr admin?Smile

redhero : boss please help me. I need your help.

( thinking.....wtf yet no reply? Evil or Very Mad lets put some oil Wink )


redhero : bro help me please. I will be ever grateful. I heard you are so kind and helpful. please help me.

admin: hi

redhero: wow you replied me Very Happy hello bro how are you, I am your fan, I like you so much ( redhero your so good man keep it up Wink )

admin: ok my pleasure. how may I help you?Smile

redhero: wew you are really helpful. omg you are talking to me. I cant believe this. you are really great. you are first admin ever replied me.Very Happy bro help me I want to be admin

no reply

redhero: bro u there? I am waiting for a long time. I am an old user. I use mig33 since beginning. I am very helpful. I chat more than 5 hours every day. I want to help users. help me. give me a platform.

admin: send mail to contact@mig33.com Smile

redhero: bro I have sent millions of mail but never got reply.:( please you recommend me.

admin: send again. they will reply you if you are lucky. all the best.

redhero: bro i know I am not a lucky guy. please you help me.

admin appears to be busy.

redhero: bro yo there?

redhero: hello man!! are u there?

no reply. no reply and so on.........................

this was a typical conversation between an admin candidate and an admin. I am sure most of admin candidates face this situation many times in their life.



now a conversation between an admin and his admin candidate friend.


redhero: hello my best friend...how are you doing? i know you are hell busy.

admin:hi buddy, yes I am very busy. helping a room.man being admin the the hardest job in this world.

redhero: I know bro. its so tough. and admins are like police. I just love them the way I love you so much. admins are great.

redhero: btw bro do you have any idea when selection is going to be started?

admin: yup in next month. millions of candidates. many users are making me mad and asking for recommendation.

redhero: yaar, I know I know. its dream of every user. I know you will give me a platform:d you are my so cute friend. I am lucky that I have a kind and great friend like you.

redhero: I am proud of you.Very Happy you promised me you would recommend me na? I wonder if you forgot. look bro I will be so disappointed and i will leave mig forever if this time you dont help me

admin: dont worry. I will see what I can do.

redhero: please bro. help me i know its not a deal for you. you can do it just like that. i know you have a good relation with all staff. they value your suggestion. I know you can make me admin straight away if you want to. please bro:D

redhero: bro see "x" become admin by the help of his admin friend. he is not even an old user. I have been useing mig33 before him. now he shows me attitude. I will leave mig33 forever if this time you dont help me:(

admin: ok ok dont worry. I will recommend you.

redhero: wowwww ..mwahhhhh. man you rock. you are the best. what you want tell me. I will do everything for you.

admin:hehe relax.

redhero: no man. it means alot to me. you are just the best. i can even give you away my life. you are my brother. believe me.

admin: ha ha ha ok ok. dont worry. you will be admin in next round. be patient Wink

redhero: ok bro thanks a ton. I am grateful to you. but I am afraid of interview. what they would ask me. I am so nervous.

admin: ohh man. dont worry at all. its nothing. I will let you know what they would ask. ok?

redhro: ok thankssss. I am so happy. you are my bossss. I love me mwahhh:D




and thus the way redhero became admin Very Happy

administrator redhero Wink yayyy I made it. Wink

I know admins dont show yellow in pvt. But to put some twist on it I made it yellow.

is there anything more I have to explain? Smile
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Post by riz Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:06 am

lol redhero this is the real scene.

fantastic post.
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Post by Roma-_ Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:20 am

webministrator worte:
Its not just all about corruption. Its about favoritism. even a Good, decent admin would prefer to recommend his friends rather thank finding out deserving users from chat room.
favoritism is what ?? dishonesty ... when u know u can recommend users from chatrooms still if u recommend ur friends thats dishonesty which is actually corruption
i dont rely on this system because what it has done in past few months should be given a deep thought
users who dont deserve or dont even have the power to communicate with other users will get the post and those who deserve to be admins will always be waiting for their chance which is never gonna come if this system keeps on
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Post by Guest Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:24 am

lets see what team does...this Recommendation system has become controversial

well,redhero showed the real senario to be honest... laughing

i wonder...how team selected admins in the first round laughing
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Post by tears_of_cry Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:31 am

yeah...

and happy... what if you become an admin and you best friend or you girlfriend ask for recommendation??? can you say no to them???
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Post by camhe22 Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:51 am

tears_of_cry wrote:yeah...

and happy... what if you become an admin and you best friend or you girlfriend ask for recommendation??? can you say no to them???
hahahaha tears bhai laughing nice question indeed but tough to answer Wink

can i answer this? :dd
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Post by happy Tue Oct 28, 2008 1:02 am

lol cry bro. tell me something.. what the admins should do if his friend deserve to be an admin? shouldn't he recommend his friend?
is it like you can never recommend your friend even he has all the quality to become an admin?
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Post by Cinderella Tue Oct 28, 2008 1:11 am

Tell me happy,why is it that only admin's friends deserve to be admins?every person feels their friend is the best so it's natural that an admin will feel his friend is the most deserving. . Our admins are humans n have human qualities. . They cant be unbiased or neutral wen it comes to their near or dear ones. . And happy. . U stil haven't answered bout yr girlfriend asking u to be admin if u admin . . Would u dare to say no to her friend?  :laughing:
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Post by happy Tue Oct 28, 2008 1:25 am

it is not a very hard question to answer for anybody.
i'll certainly recommend her if she has the quality to be an admin and why not? i know her more than anybody else, believe her that she will never misuse her power and will help users as much she can.
and cinde who said that only admins friend deserved to be admin? i asked what if admins friend has all the qualities which is needed to be an admin? why not admin will recommend them?
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Post by h_e_a_r_tfelt Tue Oct 28, 2008 2:16 am

We only know our friends.
Because we chat to them.
We often don't chat with others after becoming an administrator.
A user shouldn't be recommended.
You know lots of users hanker to become an administrator. Wink
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Post by riz Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:12 am

happy wrote:
i'll certainly recommend her if she has the quality to be an admin and why not? i

so you would recommend her if only she deserves ? ok what if she doesnt deserve to be admin? would you decline her?

as cinderella said, every one thinks their friend is the best. top of that, you would never bother to waste ur time finding out deserving users while you have got so many friends ( including girl friend Wink ) who you think are all deserving and much more better than a stranger ( eventhough literally that stranger appears to be more deserving, but you never know )
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Post by Nothingness Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:34 am

Meanz to become admin recommendation is important n necessary n for that we need admin friend.. Evil or Very Mad
Riz sydney now who will recommend me no admin is my best friend. bounce
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